
Geddy Lee in thoughtful repose
Been busy with travelling and work but finally got the chance to put together the unexpurgated version of my interview with Geddy Lee for the feature about Rush that appeared in the March 2010 issue of The Walrus. Here… for posterity’s sake…
What with the recent academic study of the band [Chris McDonald’s Rush, Rock Music and the Middle Class], the new documentary [Rush: Beyond the Lighted Stage] and tributes like the one on The Colbert Report, are you surprised to be the subject of so much veneration lately?
I know it’s strange. It just goes to show you that if you hang around long enough, strange things happen.
It sounds like you’ve been very involved with the movie and providing the filmmakers with a lot of the documentation.
They’re nice guys and they seem very passionate about what they’re doing so when they have a request of you, it’s very hard to say no. They’ve been over to the house, sifting through all the plastic containers, the endless plastic containers of Rush ephemera that I’ve somehow collected over the years. It’s been a kind of interesting walk through the past to help from sort through a lot of those things, things that I forgot I had, pictures of us from the very old days. It’s been an interesting experience.
Would you consider yourself the band’s de facto archivist?
I don’t think so much. It’s hard to tell. I think everybody has their own select things that they’ve pack-ratted for years, just things you don’t have the heart to toss out — reviews or backstage passes or photos of each other or goofy little things. I remember the very first tour, we did, I kept the keys for the hotel room because I thought we would never ever go on tour again and I wanted to have some sort of souvenir of being in Marietta, Georgia or some such place. A lot of those things become kind of iconic in your own life. I look at them and I smile and I don’t have the heart to throw them in the garbage. So you have to find somewhere to store them so we have these bins and bins of stuff.
So this legacy has a literal weight as well as a metaphorical one.
It’s unwieldy, frankly, from the sense that I don’t like to think so much about the passage of time. I don’t like to dwell on the past. To be involved in the documentary has been a bit hard from that point of view because they’re making so much of things that we’ve done in the past, and asking questions about details 25, 30 years ago — a lot of them frankly have just got out of my head. It’s a bit uncomfortable dwelling so much on what has happened. We are more used to looking forward, I’m more comfortable looking forward and not trying to be constantly aware of how long I’ve been in the same rock band.
Do you think the band has been diligent about having new directions and new challenges rather than being mired in the past?
It’s exciting to look forward. I just got back in Los Angeles where I met my partners and we had an amazing time just catching up. We hadn’t seen each other for quite a while as a group. We had a wonderful dinner. Thinking about exciting things to do in the future is never a problem, but when you dwell so much on the past, it just feels wrong somehow — it seems self-indulgent. You want to spend time thinking about things other than your own face, so to speak.
Can worrying about matters of business or historical import have a negative impact on artistic endeavours?
Oh yeah, and you’ve got a life and other interests. There’s lots to talk about. There’s books and movies and art and work in all the other things that everybody else wants to talk about, the fun things in life, the interesting things in life. Sometimes when you’ve achieved a certain level of notoriety or success, it forces you to be in this cloud of your own history, which I find very uncomfortable.
Is that also because there’s a version of the band that belongs to other people and a version of band that’s relevant to you?
That’s right. We have so many different fans from so many different walks of life and their music means something slightly different to a lot of them. They have a common ground between them on what they like about our music. That’s amazing to me, and it’s wonderful, and it’s enabled us to keep going through their support and all that. But that’s fun for them to think about, and if we were to compare notes between a fan’s vision of what we are and my own vision or Alex’s vision or Neil’s vision, they’d probably be quite different.
I know that success can actually compound that problem – despite what all the fans may feel, you have to somehow make what you do feel new to yourselves.
Yeah, exactly. It’s one thing to be in a band for almost 40 years. It’s another thing to be in that band and still feel like you could thrive creatively. That’s the challenge every time around - that’s the really hard thing. So if the creative thing is struggling, which it does at times, you’re miserable. There’s no making yourself feel better or feeling like, “Well I’ve achieved this success, so it’s okay.” It’s not okay. You’re only as valuable to yourself as your most recent work in many respects.
There’s also the fact that you may end up competing with yourself in other, earlier incarnations.
That’s true. The whole idea for a study found just going through the motions or repeating ourselves would be just intolerable.
Yet it strikes me the fans have appreciated that about you, among the many things they do. Do you think you’ve enjoyed a unique degree of respect from them?
We have such a range of fans, and they have a very deep relationship with us. A lot of times we encounter them and for the most part they are very respectful. Or just nervous, or shy. But it’s never really prevented us from carrying on with our lives, or being able to go to Caplansky’s Deli for a sandwich. It’s never been like that, at least not in my mind. Everybody has a different attitude about their own sense of freedom and their own feeling of what’s comfortable out in the public. For me, I like to live my life and I don’t like to feel like there’s any barriers and I always feel that whatever or whoever I encounter along the way, it’s deal-able. It can be reasonable, if handled properly. I think it’s the attitude you take with you. And our fans as I said are very respectful and it’s never really been a problem.
Reading about the history of Rush, it strikes me that it’s a lesson you learned from other bands early in your career – that to be decent and generous to others means you can receive the same treatment in turn. Come to think of it, it’s the whole ‘do unto others’ lesson!
Exactly. As opposed to the “I have been hurt, now I must hurt others” school of social science!” Well, y’know, you come up and you pay your dues, and for us success was never an overnight thing — it was a very, very slow thing and that suited us just fine. We were always able to make a living and we were always able to do what we wanted to do creatively. There were leaner times and there were fatter times, but it was really about the whole picture of it. We were trying to build a career, not just have a hit. As a result, we realized along the way that there’s a way to treat people and there’s a way to carry on your life. You’ve got to live with yourself at the end of the day so why not have a good environment, a positive environment? So that’s we’ve chosen to do.
I think that allows you to set a tenor for the relationships.
I think that’s true. You send out a vibe and you receive that vibe. Our real fans do get what we’re about to a certain degree and certainly the spirit that exists, that’s what you feedback on. That’s why it’s so much fun to play for them — they’re so welcoming and so happy that we’ve decided to share three hours and the same venue with them. It’s kind of a love-fest going back-and-forth!
They also see you so much as underdogs even to this day. There’s a defensive tone among the fanbase about the band not quite getting its due. Yet there’s been these weird manifestations of Rush love in movies or books lately and even your first Rolling Stone profile in years and years. Have you witnessed some kind of change?
It kind of polarizes some fans. Some of them love the fact that we’re suddenly getting mainstream attention. Others don’t — they like the fact that we were their private Idaho. We went to the premiere of that movie I Love You Man, which we appear in. Somebody sent me some article that had some comments from fan blogs and some of them were upset that Neil and I went to the premiere, thinking going to a movie premiere was not a Rush thing to do. I thought that was really interesting and strange. But we went and it was okay and we all survived and our fans survived as well. No one was injured in the appearance.
I Love You Man really keyed in on Rush’s value as a pretext for male bonding, too.
That movie is something we witness every night! My only regret is, it did a disservice to the growing number of female Rush fans that we have. There’s no question that by and large are fans are male. And it is like that, they do react like that, and we see it. When we were making that movie in talking to the writer and director, we could confirm that this is something we witness many, many times from the stage looking out. The high fives and the hugs. And you break into a song and they’re just so happy you’re playing that song, and they’re singing it. It’s cool and it’s real for sure. And the girlfriend with her arms crossed, sitting there rolling her eyes, going, “What does he see in this band?” You can just sense that. You can always tell the girlfriends that have been dragged along, let’s put it like that. But one thing that the movie doesn’t portray and people don’t realize is we look out there and we see girlfriends who have dragged their boyfriends along — they’re the ones who are bored and can’t understand it. That’s a cool turnaround.
How did you enjoy doing your own special episode of The Colbert Report?
Again, some fans loved it, and some fans were upset that Stephen interrupted our performance with comedy. That’s because we were putting on this whole joke, where we’re playing this song that’s so long that it really can’t go on a 30-minute show. It was us who suggested, “Why don’t you just interrupt us and do some comedy shtick?” A lot of fans got the joke and thought it was great and some fans were upset that he dared to besmirch the song with his interruption. It was blasphemous behavior, let’s face it!
It’s interesting to see how the band’s always had a sense of humour and humility about itself yet there are people out there who want to fight on your behalf somehow.
I think that’s true. I’m sure that we have a lot of fans who have less of a sense of humor about us than we do. But that’s easier for us. To some of these fans, they’ve found something in our music that has really helped them or given them some sort of positive reinforcement or done something that has given them great comfort. And that’s a serious thing and it’s a serious thing in their lives. To make that into some sort of joke belittles what they’ve gotten out of it in their view. So I understand that. It’s completely in the eye of the beholder.
Have you felt similar about the music and musicians you’ve loved?
Oh yeah. The bands I grew up with were gods to me. And you don’t want your gods to come down off of the pedestal and be too normal. You want them to be godlike and untouchable. Very early in my career, I had the misfortune to meet one of my heroes, and he was really drunk and it was a very bad impression. I said to myself, “I don’t want to meet any more heroes.” Then I met another one years later, who was such a charming and good guy. What can you do? Everyone has the right to be too drunk in a situation, I suppose! You can’t control every encounter with a fan and sometimes you can’t be on your best when you meet someone.
Do you feel a great pressure in those meet-and-greet type situations? You don’t want to disappoint anybody.
It’s a very hard situation to learn how to deal with, but you do learn how to deal with it. For me, I just try to remember what it means to them. They get literally two minutes with us at the meet-and-greet to get their picture taken and say hello. It doesn’t matter if I’ve already met 50 people in the lineup. They’re still as excited as they were when I walked in there so I have to pay them respect of treating that encounter not too flippantly. You see some of them and they’ve been thinking about it all the time up the lineup, what are they going to say in their one minute, five times out of 10 it comes out all wrong. I really do feel for them. They’re tongue tied and they don’t know what to say. They want to say a whole lifetime worth of things and they only have a minute. It’s a tough situation for a fan, I think.